More light on torture
The ACLU has successfully extracted some interesting tidbits by way of Freedom of Information Act filings and a lawsuit to get the Government to comply with the filing.
Press Release
Released information
What he said was that the things being used, such as stress positions, and sleep deprivation, were included in a class he was sent through on being a POW. Veitnam was still pretty fresh on the minds of the military, and thats where lessons were drawn from. As they went through the training they were subjected to some of these things for short durations. The fact that some of the detainees were kept in these positions by US forces for hours at a time was abhorrent to him. This friend is the only person I know who has been subjected to torture-like conditions, so is my best resource for comparisons.
Stress positions are in the grey-area between torture and pressure-tactics, and that's an area the Government is actively attempting to broaden. It is logical that working in such a grey area would require approvals from Somone Higher Than Me before I'd stick my neck out. Ultimate authority derives from the President in this case, even if he himself wasn't aware his authority provided such permissions.
Recall a certain leaked DoD legal opinion that described Geneva as out of date, or outright not applicable to our detainees. The opinion authored by the man who is up for confirmation as the head of the Department of Justice. That opinion supports what is supposedly laid out in this Executive Order, and might have been the legal justification for its issuance. Should the presence of this EO be confirmed, it would be the first real evidence that the President was aware of the types of tactics in use by US forces in intelligence gathering.
Does this tie him to Abu Ghraib? No. The e-mails recovered by the ACLU are pretty clear in tone that what was going on at Abu Ghraib was contrarty to the supposed EO.
Press Release
Released information
The two-page e-mail that references an Executive Order states that the President directly authorized interrogation techniques including sleep deprivation, stress positions, the use of military dogs, and "sensory deprivation through the use of hoods, etc."This isn't the actual Executive Order, it just referrs to one. You can trust that the ACLU is attempting to extract this Executive Order. And if it exists, you can trust that the White House will block all attempts to do just that. The actual released document goes into what the Executive Order set out as approved.
-- ACLU Press Release
Although we have no reason to believe any of our personnel disobeyed our instructions and participated in interrogations that utilized techniques beyound the bounds of FBI practice but within the parameters of the Executive Order (e g , sleep deprivation, stress positions, loud music, etc), some of our personnel were in the general vicinity of interrogations in which such tactics were being used, and because of their proximity to the sites of these interrogations, heard of saw things which would be indicative of interrogations utilizing the techniques authorized by the Executive Order Examples are loud music, interrogators yelling at subjects, prisoners with hoods on their heads, etc.While a far cry from 12v electrodes attached to sensitive bits, it is still interesting to find. It would seem to me that there was enough doubt on the permissiveness of torture that an Executive Order was drafted to make it more legal than it was before. A friend of mine who went through a tour of duty with the military in the 1980's had some comments regarding the information coming out of Iraq regarding the Abu Ghraib torture.
What he said was that the things being used, such as stress positions, and sleep deprivation, were included in a class he was sent through on being a POW. Veitnam was still pretty fresh on the minds of the military, and thats where lessons were drawn from. As they went through the training they were subjected to some of these things for short durations. The fact that some of the detainees were kept in these positions by US forces for hours at a time was abhorrent to him. This friend is the only person I know who has been subjected to torture-like conditions, so is my best resource for comparisons.
Stress positions are in the grey-area between torture and pressure-tactics, and that's an area the Government is actively attempting to broaden. It is logical that working in such a grey area would require approvals from Somone Higher Than Me before I'd stick my neck out. Ultimate authority derives from the President in this case, even if he himself wasn't aware his authority provided such permissions.
Recall a certain leaked DoD legal opinion that described Geneva as out of date, or outright not applicable to our detainees. The opinion authored by the man who is up for confirmation as the head of the Department of Justice. That opinion supports what is supposedly laid out in this Executive Order, and might have been the legal justification for its issuance. Should the presence of this EO be confirmed, it would be the first real evidence that the President was aware of the types of tactics in use by US forces in intelligence gathering.
Does this tie him to Abu Ghraib? No. The e-mails recovered by the ACLU are pretty clear in tone that what was going on at Abu Ghraib was contrarty to the supposed EO.
