Curves for Women(*)
A columnist in an SF paper has come to my attention:
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7636
Transgenders at Curves? Get Used to It, Ladies -- Cinnamon Stillwell
The author of this piece was very surprised to notice that the person exercising next to her at her Curves was biologically male. And enquiry of the Staff as to how this could happen resulted in the reply that the person in question usually goes to another Curves and was just visiting for the day. The rest of the article is a familiar reprise of the indignation many women feel when "Women's Spaces", typically restrooms, are invaded by "wannabe women".
Part of the author's shock comes from learning that Curves can't be exclusively women in California.
At this point I have to mention that it's not just men invading the women's loo. The other direction happens as well, but it isn't nearly as 'hot button'. Women cross presenting as Men is better accepted in our society, so the indignation suffered is less visible to all. But indignation does occur. Men exclude from their bathroom other men who wear dresses and makeup just as much as they'd exclude the woman who wears a male-cut suit and hairstyle. It happens, you just don't hear about it as much.
So by that definition and the realities, Womanhood is something you can only leave, never join. Manhood is handled similarly, though the boundaries are fuzzier. The author handles it thusly:
In the case of Curves, the 'womens space' the author presumed Curves was, wasn't really such a space at all. The person on the next treadmill over had every right to be there, dismay not withstanding. That only sparked the indignation.
There aren't many gendered spaces in society any more. The bathroom is one such space that isn't going away. Places like locker-rooms and other places where people get naked are really the only other places anymore. People who are inclined to view people of their own sex ...fondly are a much higher percentage of the population than trans-people are, yet there is no hue and crexpelxpell them from bathrooms and locker-rooms. They LOOK normal, you CAN'T know. Another point towards 'presentation' being a defining factor over history.
This is why I view the advent of unisex bathrooms as a third option to the other two, not a replacement, as a very good thing. It removes one b-i-g layer of stress for people who either are around folk who don't fit the two big categories, and those people who ARE the people who don't fit. Back during the ERA days of the 1970's and early 80's unisex bathrooms were used by opponents as a club to instill fear in people, this is a good reason why such bathrooms need to be the third choice and not the only choice. It will reduce stress all around.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7636
Transgenders at Curves? Get Used to It, Ladies -- Cinnamon Stillwell
The author of this piece was very surprised to notice that the person exercising next to her at her Curves was biologically male. And enquiry of the Staff as to how this could happen resulted in the reply that the person in question usually goes to another Curves and was just visiting for the day. The rest of the article is a familiar reprise of the indignation many women feel when "Women's Spaces", typically restrooms, are invaded by "wannabe women".
Part of the author's shock comes from learning that Curves can't be exclusively women in California.
According to the owner, it seems that Curves does not have an all-female membership, as I had formerly believed. Not in California anyway. Due to several lawsuits that ensued soon after Curves came to the golden state, Curves franchises in California were forced to make their membership all-inclusive. Before last week, I, and no doubt most of the other female members, were unaware of this policy and had we known, itÂs safe to say that it might have affected our decision to sign-up.So the whole event came as a double shock, which only intensified the indignation.
Although I can only speak for myself, I think I can say with certainty that most women do not want to share a bathroom, locker room, and especially what they thought was an all-female gym, with a man--whatever his genderr identity.'' But it seems that us plain-old females have no rights, because transgenders and their view of womanhood take precedence. Forget girlhood, puberty, pregnancy, or motherhood, when it comes to transgenders, it's the clothes, shoes, and makeup that make a woman.The Bathroom Question is something that all people who wish to present as the gender opposite their biological one face. If you are presenting as opposite your biological gender, no matter which bathroom you choose to pee in you will get Looks. This is why Unisex and Family bathroom are such blessings, and even some university campuses are mandating that such bathrooms be available. If your presentation is pretty convincing you may be able to use the 'wrong' bathroom without raising eyebrows or hackles, at least until your fellow pissers learn what you 'really are' at which point the question becomes open for debate.
At this point I have to mention that it's not just men invading the women's loo. The other direction happens as well, but it isn't nearly as 'hot button'. Women cross presenting as Men is better accepted in our society, so the indignation suffered is less visible to all. But indignation does occur. Men exclude from their bathroom other men who wear dresses and makeup just as much as they'd exclude the woman who wears a male-cut suit and hairstyle. It happens, you just don't hear about it as much.
But it seems that us plain-old females have no rights, because transgenders and their view of womanhood take precedence. Forget girlhood, puberty, pregnancy, or motherhood, when it comes to transgenders, itÂs the clothes, shoes, and makeup that make a woman.The integration of transsexual women into Feminist society has been rocky. Certain loud and voiciferous feminist thinkers claim that trans-women aren't real women since they never had girlhood in their teens, the possibility of pregnancy hanging over their entire lives, or certain gender roles thrust at them since birth. Valid points, all of them; it does separate people into different experience categories. But when it comes to 'female space', those spaces where only Women can go, such divisions aren't nearly so hard and fast. If trans-women aren't allowed into these places, what about trans-men; with their nascant beardrecedinging hairlines, and deep voices? By the definition set up there, thdefinitelyely do qualify even if they don't choose to participate in such. Yet in women's spaces such as bathrooms presentation (beard, tie, a certain leer about the mouth) counts for more than history, so such people aexcludedded.
So by that definition and the realities, Womanhood is something you can only leave, never join. Manhood is handled similarly, though the boundaries are fuzzier. The author handles it thusly:
If the transgender in question still has a you-know-what, then as far as IÂm concerned, heÂs a ''he.'' Enough said.The converse being, of course:
If the transgender in question wasn't born with a you-know-what, then as far as I'm concerned, she's a 'she'.Yet I'm pretty sure if that hypothetical bearrecedingeding-hairline, suited trans-man walked into a stall while she was washing her hands, she'd be very offended too. It obviously hasn't happened yet, or her argument would be cleaner. Quite clearly we have a group of people who do NOT fit into Male/Female, and there is no easy way to deal with them.
In the case of Curves, the 'womens space' the author presumed Curves was, wasn't really such a space at all. The person on the next treadmill over had every right to be there, dismay not withstanding. That only sparked the indignation.
There aren't many gendered spaces in society any more. The bathroom is one such space that isn't going away. Places like locker-rooms and other places where people get naked are really the only other places anymore. People who are inclined to view people of their own sex ...fondly are a much higher percentage of the population than trans-people are, yet there is no hue and crexpelxpell them from bathrooms and locker-rooms. They LOOK normal, you CAN'T know. Another point towards 'presentation' being a defining factor over history.
This is why I view the advent of unisex bathrooms as a third option to the other two, not a replacement, as a very good thing. It removes one b-i-g layer of stress for people who either are around folk who don't fit the two big categories, and those people who ARE the people who don't fit. Back during the ERA days of the 1970's and early 80's unisex bathrooms were used by opponents as a club to instill fear in people, this is a good reason why such bathrooms need to be the third choice and not the only choice. It will reduce stress all around.
